[Radiance-general] 3. Re: GR Observer (Greg Ward) (Jan Wienold)

N. Nassif nynassif at gmail.com
Fri May 18 04:50:27 PDT 2018


Hallo Jan,

Thank you for your explicit answer. I will check it out!

Mit freundlichen Grüssen,



Josef.Nassif

Dipl.-Ing. Elektrotechnik

MA(FH) Architectural Lighting Design

2018-05-18 11:34 GMT+02:00 <radiance-general-request at radiance-online.org>:

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> Congratulations, Greg!
>
> On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 10:03 PM, Galen Burrell <Galen.Burrell at arup.com>
> wrote:
> > Congratulations to Greg Ward for receiving the prestigious 2018 Velux
> > Daylight Award for Daylight Research!
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> Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 11:33:57 +0200
> From: Jan Wienold <jan.wienold at epfl.ch>
> To: radiance-general at radiance-online.org
> Subject: Re: [Radiance-general] 3. Re: GR Observer (Greg Ward)
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> Hi Josef,
>
> Lvl of the equation is the veiling luminance according to
> Stiles-Holladay and used in the CIE publications for disability glare.
> You can calculate Lvl by evalglare, it is one of the outputs if you use
> the -d option. the evalglare output is called "Lveil_cie", dont mix it
> up with "Lveil", which is the disability equation according to Pointer
> and differs a lot to the CIE equation.
>
> For your configuration, I would de-activate the peak extraction (by
> using the -x option) and use a meaningful absolute threshold for glare
> source detection (e.g. 2000 cd/m2).
>
> The second part of the GR equation (Lve) cannot be solved by
> image-evaluation automatically, since it uses the average horizontal?
> illuminance (not vertical). So you have to measure it separately and
> calculate the GR manually.
>
> The bigger challenge is to measure accurately this situations with a HDR
> camera, since you will deal very probably with flicker (discharging
> lamps, led..). As a general rule you need to restrict the shortest
> exposure time to 10/f (f: frequency of the flicker). At the same time
> should be the maximum pixel value of the shortest exposure time not more
> than 200 (better lower) to avoid pixel overflow.
>
> For high luminance light sources it is hard to comply with both rules at
> the same time. So you have to check, if you need to use a filter and use
> longer exposure times.
>
> A second thing you have to consider is, that you need to have the right
> lens type description in the header of the hdr image ("VIEW=...") ,
> otherwise the angles (e.g. angle between line of sight=center of image
> and the glare source or all solid angles) are not correctly calculated
> by any software (findglare, evalglare). For perspective lenses you need
> to check the viewing angles. This should be done by measurements, since
> manufacturers information or not always correct and the angles might
> differ for the same lens for different cameras attached to it.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Jan
>
>
>
> On 18.05.18 10:22, N. Nassif wrote:
> > Hey,
> >
> > I found this online from AGI32:
> >
> > https://docs.agi32.com/AGi32/Content/adding_calculation_
> points/Calculations_Glare_Rating_Concepts.htm
> >
> > The Formula is GR = 27 + 24 lg (LVL/LVE?^0.9)
> >
> > I checked the ones you sent (findglare and glarendx?), but I did see
> > it, or am I mistaken?
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > Mit freundlichen Gr?ssen,
> >
> > Josef.Nassif
> >
> > Dipl.-Ing. Elektrotechnik
> >
> > MA(FH) Architectural Lighting Design
> >
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> >     Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 22:15:55 +0200
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> >     To: radiance-general at radiance-online.org
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> >     Subject: [Radiance-general] GR Observer
> >     Message-ID:
> >     ? ? ? ?
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> >     Hey Community,
> >
> >     is there a way to calculate the *GR *Observer (Glare Rating) in
> >     Radiance?
> >     GR is the measure of glare in exterior spaces.
> >
> >     My attempt is to use HDR photos and analyze a scene in exterior,
> >     mainly at
> >     an Airport field: Apron, Aircraft Stands.
> >
> >     Thank you in advance,
> >
> >     and Congrats GREG! :)
> >
> >     Mit freundlichen Gr?ssen,
> >
> >
> >
> >     Josef.Nassif
> >
> >     Dipl.-Ing. Elektrotechnik
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> >     Message: 2
> >     Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 13:24:02 -0700
> >     From: Mudit Saxena <msaxena at vistar-energy.com
> >     <mailto:msaxena at vistar-energy.com>>
> >     To: Radiance general discussion
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> >     Subject: Re: [Radiance-general] Daylight Award!
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> >     This made my day!! So well deserved Greg!! Your humble response
> >     reminds us just why you deserve this award. Your selfless and
> >     devoted support of the Radiance community over the years has
> >     helped countless people. I hope I can echo some of those people in
> >     saying Thank You and Congratulations!
> >
> >
> >     Mudit Saxena
> >     Principal, Vistar Energy
> >     www.vistar-energy.com <http://www.vistar-energy.com>
> >     +1 (916) 543-7186? | MSaxena at vistar-energy.com
> >     <mailto:MSaxena at vistar-energy.com>
> >
> >
> >     > On May 17, 2018, at 8:34 AM, Randolph M. Fritz
> >     <rmfritz3 at gmail.com <mailto:rmfritz3 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >     >
> >     > Congratulations, Greg!
> >     >
> >     > --
> >     > Randolph M. Fritz || +1 206 659-8617 || rmfritz3 at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:rmfritz3 at gmail.com>
> >     >
> >     >> On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 2:03 PM, Galen Burrell
> >     <Galen.Burrell at arup.com <mailto:Galen.Burrell at arup.com>> wrote:
> >     >> Congratulations to Greg Ward for receiving the prestigious 2018
> >     Velux Daylight Award for Daylight Research!
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >> http://www.thedaylightaward.com/laureates/
> >     <http://www.thedaylightaward.com/laureates/>
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >> I?m sure all of us on this list could not imagine a more
> >     deserving recipient for this award given his contributions to the
> >     field, and the legacy he has created with Radiance.
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >> Congrats Greg!
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >> --
> >     >>
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> >     >>
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> >     >>
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> >     Message: 3
> >     Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 15:21:41 -0700
> >     From: Greg Ward <gregoryjward at gmail.com
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> >     Subject: Re: [Radiance-general] GR Observer
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> >     Thanks, Josef.
> >
> >     Do you happen to have a reference or a formula for GR? It's not
> >     the same as UGR, is it?? There are so many glare indices, and the
> >     findglare and
> >     ??
> >     glarendx programs can be combined to compute several of them from
> >     HDR images or renderings, but I don't know about this one.
> >
> >     Cheers,
> >     -Greg
> >
> >     > From: "N. Nassif" <nynassif at gmail.com <mailto:nynassif at gmail.com>>
> >     > Date: May 17, 2018 1:15:55 PM PDT
> >     >
> >     > Hey Community,
> >     >
> >     > is there a way to calculate the GR Observer (Glare Rating) in
> >     Radiance? GR is the measure of glare in exterior spaces.
> >     >
> >     > My attempt is to use HDR photos and analyze a scene in exterior,
> >     mainly at an Airport field: Apron, Aircraft Stands.
> >     >
> >     > Thank you in advance,
> >     >
> >     > and Congrats GREG! :)
> >     >
> >     > Mit freundlichen Gr?ssen,
> >     >
> >     > Josef.Nassif
> >     > Dipl.-Ing. Elektrotechnik
> >     > MA(FH) Architectural Lighting Design
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> >     Message: 4
> >     Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 00:51:25 +0000
> >     From: Amarpreet Sethi <amarpreet_s at hotmail.com
> >     <mailto:amarpreet_s at hotmail.com>>
> >     To: Radiance general discussion
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> >     Congratulations Greg and THANKYOU!!!
> >
> >     Amarpreet
> >
> >     On May 17, 2018, at 3:12 PM, Mudit Saxena
> >     <msaxena at vistar-energy.com
> >     <mailto:msaxena at vistar-energy.com><mailto:msaxena at vistar-energy.com
> >     <mailto:msaxena at vistar-energy.com>>> wrote:
> >
> >     This made my day!! So well deserved Greg!! Your humble response
> >     reminds us just why you deserve this award. Your selfless and
> >     devoted support of the Radiance community over the years has
> >     helped countless people. I hope I can echo some of those people in
> >     saying Thank You and Congratulations!
> >
> >
> >     Mudit Saxena
> >     Principal, Vistar Energy
> >     www.vistar-energy.com
> >     <http://www.vistar-energy.com><http://www.vistar-energy.com
> >     <http://www.vistar-energy.com>>
> >     +1 (916) 543-7186? | MSaxena at vistar-energy.com
> >     <mailto:MSaxena at vistar-energy.com><mailto:MSaxena at vistar-energy.com
> >     <mailto:MSaxena at vistar-energy.com>>
> >
> >
> >     On May 17, 2018, at 8:34 AM, Randolph M. Fritz <rmfritz3 at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:rmfritz3 at gmail.com><mailto:rmfritz3 at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:rmfritz3 at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >
> >     Congratulations, Greg!
> >
> >     --
> >     Randolph M. Fritz || +1 206 659-8617 || rmfritz3 at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:rmfritz3 at gmail.com><mailto:rmfritz3 at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:rmfritz3 at gmail.com>>
> >
> >     On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 2:03 PM, Galen Burrell
> >     <Galen.Burrell at arup.com
> >     <mailto:Galen.Burrell at arup.com><mailto:Galen.Burrell at arup.com
> >     <mailto:Galen.Burrell at arup.com>>> wrote:
> >     Congratulations to Greg Ward for receiving the prestigious 2018
> >     Velux Daylight Award for Daylight Research!
> >
> >     http://www.thedaylightaward.com/laureates/
> >     <http://www.thedaylightaward.com/laureates/>
> >
> >     I?m sure all of us on this list could not imagine a more deserving
> >     recipient for this award given his contributions to the field, and
> >     the legacy he has created with Radiance.
> >
> >     Congrats Greg!
> >
> >     --
> >     Galen Burrell? LEED AP
> >     Senior Designer | Lighting
> >
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