[Radiance-general] Alternative shells for Windows

Wed May 20 02:30:47 PDT 2015

  Hi Jan,
Thank you for sent information.
I am thinking to do something similar.
Best wishes,
Urtza.

"Diepens, J.F.L." <j.f.l.diepens at bwk.tue.nl> escribió:

> Hi Urtza,
>
> Linux is preferable above windows for using Radiance. We have very good
> experiences with our students using a virtual linux machine under
> windows 7.
> We are using the "Oracle VM VirtualBox Manager" with Ubuntu. For our
> students we have prepared an Image (Appliance) with all necessary
> programs in it for running Radiance, Evalglare and some handy scripts.
>
> Kind regards,
> Jan
>
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>   1. Re: Alternative shells for Windows (WAS: Re: rcontrib for
>      rendering - missing required modifier argument)
>      (urtza.uriarte at upc.edu)
>   2. Re: Alternative shells for Windows (WAS: Re: rcontrib for
>      rendering - missing required modifier argument) (Guglielmetti,
> Robert)
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> Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 09:44:07 +0200
> From: urtza.uriarte at upc.edu
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> Subject: Re: [Radiance-general] Alternative shells for Windows (WAS:
>         Re: rcontrib for rendering - missing required modifier
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> Hi everybody,
>
> Thanks for your suggestions. I have a doubt for a month when I have
> started
> using Radiance. Is Linux advisable to use for Radiance? Perhaps, it may
in
> the long run be better.
>
> Kind regards!
> Urtza.
>
> "Guglielmetti, Robert" <Robert.Guglielmetti at nrel.gov> escribi?:
>
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> The main advantages I see in using Git's Bash shell for Windows are
>> smaller footprint, easier installation, and tighter integration. I
>
> haven't
>> done extensive testing, but it seems like the Git Bash shell gives
>
> Windows
>> users a more similar and compatible experience to that of the Unix user,
>> potentially allowing folks to use things like Andy McNeil's tutorials,
>> as-written.
>>
>> The installer is 17MB and just *works*, adding a shortcut to a "Git
Bash"
>> command prompt. Once fired up, you have access to your existing file
>> system, and all the basic CLI tools a Unix user us used to (e.g. ls) are
>> there and just work, along with things like wildcards. =) There's no
>
> other
>> system tuning to do. I haven't used or set up Cygwin in a long time but
>> this Git shell is a lot easier than the Cygwin I've used. I still
haven't
>> tested any of the more esoteric Radiance command pipelines (such as
>
> what's
>> used to get view parameters passed to rcontrib), but ASSuming they work,
>> coupled with a Windows Python or Ruby interpreter I'd bet you can get
>> pretty close to the Unix experience on Windows with little brain damage
>> now.
>>
>> Having said all that, there are still things that the Windows user gives
>> up in RadianceLand. The built-in multithreading (in rcontrib, rtrace,
>> rpict, et al.) doesn't work; there are a few remaining Radiance commands
>> that are written in csh so those (probably (might?)) won't work; native
>> manpage support is lacking; and Roland had to use some sub-optimal
>> functions to get all the photon map stuff to build on Windows. Still, I
>> think we've come a long way?
>>
>> - Rob
>>
>> On 5/15/15, 11:40 AM, "Christopher Rush" <Christopher.Rush at arup.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Rob,
>>> Getting off-topic, but not sure if it warrants a separate thread... you
>>> imply that we can run Radiance commands in the Git for Windows bash
>>> shell. Is there an advantage to doing so, in comparison to Cygwin
(which
>>> I have used in the past)? Both would have the clear advantages of being
>>> able to use more powerful scripted commands when compared to the
Windows
>>> cmd prompt, but Git-bash is more lightweight while Cygwin would be more
>>> powerful (for things unrelated to Radiance?)? In both cases install
>>> according to normal Windows Radiance installation and adjust paths as
>>> necessary in each environment?
>>>
>>> -Chris
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Guglielmetti, Robert [mailto:Robert.Guglielmetti at nrel.gov]
>>> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 11:55 AM
>>>
>>> Welp, it appears that the '*' wildcard expansion does not work with
>>> Windows in the standard shell, even though the wildcard does work with
>>> other internal commands, such as 'type' (Windows-speak for 'cat'). As
>>> they say: WTF?
>>>
>>> - Rob
>>>
>>> P.S. The wildcard does expand correctly with pcompos in a Cygwin shell,
>>> so there's that.
>>>
>>> P.P.S. You can install a lightweight Cygwin shell by simply installing
>>> Git for Windows (https://msysgit.github.io/). You get a proper BASH
>
> shell
>>> in Windows with minimal effort. Highly recommended.
>>>
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> Subject: Re: [Radiance-general] Alternative shells for Windows (WAS:
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> If you can get ahold of a Unix-based system, be it a Mac running OSX or
> a Linux system, your experience will likely be better, yes. But I do
> think that with the latest installer we provide here
> (https://github.com/NREL/Radiance/releases/tag/5.0.a.3) and the "Git
> Bash shell" from here (https://msysgit.github.io/), you could get pretty
> darn close to the same experience as you would on *nix.
>
> Good luck!
>
> - Rob
>
> On 5/18/15, 1:44 AM,
> "urtza.uriarte at upc.edu<mailto:urtza.uriarte at upc.edu>"
> <urtza.uriarte at upc.edu<mailto:urtza.uriarte at upc.edu>> wrote:
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> Thanks for your suggestions. I have a doubt for a month when I have
> started using Radiance. Is Linux advisable to use for Radiance? Perhaps,
> it may in the long run be better.
>
> Kind regards!
> Urtza.
>
> "Guglielmetti, Robert"
> <Robert.Guglielmetti at nrel.gov<mailto:Robert.Guglielmetti at nrel.gov>>
> escribi?:
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> The main advantages I see in using Git's Bash shell for Windows are
> smaller footprint, easier installation, and tighter integration. I
haven't
> done extensive testing, but it seems like the Git Bash shell gives
Windows
> users a more similar and compatible experience to that of the Unix user,
> potentially allowing folks to use things like Andy McNeil's tutorials,
> as-written.
>
> The installer is 17MB and just *works*, adding a shortcut to a "Git Bash"
> command prompt. Once fired up, you have access to your existing file
> system, and all the basic CLI tools a Unix user us used to (e.g. ls) are
> there and just work, along with things like wildcards. =) There's no
other
> system tuning to do. I haven't used or set up Cygwin in a long time but
> this Git shell is a lot easier than the Cygwin I've used. I still haven't
> tested any of the more esoteric Radiance command pipelines (such as
what's
> used to get view parameters passed to rcontrib), but ASSuming they work,
> coupled with a Windows Python or Ruby interpreter I'd bet you can get
> pretty close to the Unix experience on Windows with little brain damage
> now.
>
> Having said all that, there are still things that the Windows user gives
> up in RadianceLand. The built-in multithreading (in rcontrib, rtrace,
> rpict, et al.) doesn't work; there are a few remaining Radiance commands
> that are written in csh so those (probably (might?)) won't work; native
> manpage support is lacking; and Roland had to use some sub-optimal
> functions to get all the photon map stuff to build on Windows. Still, I
> think we've come a long way?
>
> - Rob
>
> On 5/15/15, 11:40 AM, "Christopher Rush"
> <Christopher.Rush at arup.com<mailto:Christopher.Rush at arup.com>> wrote:
>
> Rob,
> Getting off-topic, but not sure if it warrants a separate thread... you
> imply that we can run Radiance commands in the Git for Windows bash
> shell. Is there an advantage to doing so, in comparison to Cygwin (which
> I have used in the past)? Both would have the clear advantages of being
> able to use more powerful scripted commands when compared to the Windows
> cmd prompt, but Git-bash is more lightweight while Cygwin would be more
> powerful (for things unrelated to Radiance?)? In both cases install
> according to normal Windows Radiance installation and adjust paths as
> necessary in each environment?
>
> -Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Guglielmetti, Robert
>
[mailto:Robert.Guglielmetti at nrel.gov<mailto:Robert.Guglielmetti at nrel.gov>][1]
> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 11:55 AM
>
> Welp, it appears that the '*' wildcard expansion does not work with
> Windows in the standard shell, even though the wildcard does work with
> other internal commands, such as 'type' (Windows-speak for 'cat'). As
> they say: WTF?
>
> - Rob
>
> P.S. The wildcard does expand correctly with pcompos in a Cygwin shell,
> so there's that.
>
> P.P.S. You can install a lightweight Cygwin shell by simply installing
> Git for Windows (https://msysgit.github.io/). You get a proper BASH shell
> in Windows with minimal effort. Highly recommended.
>
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