[Radiance-general] Radiance wiki proposal
Chris Kallie
kallie at umn.edu
Wed Feb 5 18:59:43 PST 2014
Mostapha, all,
Parser sounds very helpful, as well as Grasshopper discussion page
layout, and pretty much every other suggestion. If the majority agrees,
and everyone's had a chance to make suggestions, I will review this
thread, follow instructions, and get busy archiving later this month.
Thanks,
Chris
On 2/5/14 8:34 PM, Mostapha Sadeghipour wrote:
> Chris, Andy et. al.,
>
> Now that this is going to happen here is my 2 cents.
>
> I think everybody agrees that there is already so much really valuable
> information in the email list. I have personally found the answer to
> many of my questions by reading the emails from the archive but always
> suffered from the poor layout. The attachments are missing and in some
> cases it is really hard to follow the conversations.
>
> I would be happy to devote some time to develop the code to parse the
> email archive and put them in a better format that is easier to
> follow. I personally like the layout of Grasshopper discussion pages
> which is similar to many other pages on the web. Just a random
> example:
> (http://www.grasshopper3d.com/forum/topics/window-forms-param-data-binding)
>
> Any of the options provides an API that let us problematically
> generate discussion pages from the current emails?
>
> Mostapha
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 8:20 PM, Andrew McNeil <amcneil at lbl.gov
> <mailto:amcneil at lbl.gov>> wrote:
>
> Awesome! Does anyone else feel the urge to pledge some time to
> adding content to a Radiance wiki? Any hour for hour matches?
> (KQED is having it's pledge drive this week, so I'm in a pledge
> drive kinda mood).
>
> Andy
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Chris Kallie <kallie at umn.edu
> <mailto:kallie at umn.edu>> wrote:
>
> Andy, et al.,
>
> Proposal sounds very good. I pledge 40+ hours before June 21,
> 2014. Is there a consensus on which wiki site is best?
>
> Thanks to all!
> Chris
>
>
> On 2/5/14 5:51 PM, Andrew McNeil wrote:
>> Chris,
>>
>> Sorry if some of us appear to be cynical, but I thinly you're
>> off the mark dismissing those with less enthusiasm as
>> naysayers who "fundamentally misunderstand or loathe the
>> concept" of wikis. I think I can speak for everyone when I
>> say that we would love for there to be the level of
>> documentation you propose. Unfortunately funding for
>> documentation isn't available, so it is generally a personal
>> time activity.
>>
>> As Rob pointed out (who, by the way, has been instrumental in
>> making Radiance available to Windows users and deserves all
>> of our gratitude) setting up and hosting a wiki isn't much of
>> a hurdle, so a pledge to do that isn't all that meaningful.
>> Instead, a pledge to spend 200 hours this year creating
>> content for a wiki is substantially more meaningful, and
>> would likely be met with more enthusiasm.
>>
>> As Axel pointed out in his 2006 presentation, most of the
>> work of wiki documentation is done by 1% of the users. It's
>> nice to think if you build it they will come, but
>> unfortunately that has been demonstrated false (at least for
>> this community) and we'll need to do more than just "hope
>> that the community makes an effort to upload content."
>>
>> Ultimately, the challenge you'll face in starting a
>> successful wiki is getting buy-in from a broad base of users
>> and motivating 1% of the Radiance community to contribute
>> substantial time adding content. Unfortunately, I think
>> you'll have to rely heavily on the people you deem naysayers,
>> because they are the ones who have been in the community the
>> longest. Your appeal to the students in the community to do
>> the heavy lifting seems misguided, we spend significant time
>> helping some students with their problems only to never hear
>> from them again after their dissertation is completed, so I
>> don't think they share your motivation.
>>
>> Here's my 2 cents on what will make your efforts a success:
>> 1 - Make a more meaningful pledge towards creating a wiki
>> rich with content
>> 2 - Proactively seek buy-in and support from everyone within
>> the Radiance community (not dismiss people with less
>> enthusiasm as naysayers).
>> 3 - Work tirelessly to deliver content. Unfortunately you'll
>> probably be working alone at first.
>>
>> If you decide to proceed by pledging a substantial amount of
>> your time to add content, I will pledge 40 hours of my
>> personal time this summer to add content.
>>
>> Good luck and godspeed my friend,
>> Andy
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Chris Kallie <kallie at umn.edu
>> <mailto:kallie at umn.edu>> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you Andy and Greg,
>>
>> Please do consider the points I've raised in the last
>> email, and let's hope that the community makes an effort
>> to upload content. I am willing to partake in the
>> organization and uploading of portions of the
>> radiance-online content, but a plan of action would be a
>> good first task.
>>
>> Also, there are numerous ways to set up a wiki. I
>> personally like the homepage of http://wiki.blender.org/
>> and was able to teach myself everything I needed to learn
>> through their intuitive structure. The software is
>> provided freely by:
>> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki --I'm not an
>> advocate of any particular wiki distro, but some just
>> work better and look prettier than others.
>>
>> Thanks to all!
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> On 2/5/14 2:18 PM, Greg Ward wrote:
>>> A hearty "second" to Andy's motion for a Radiance FAQ.
>>> As someone who is frequently re-answering questions
>>> that have already been asked (but I've forgotten I
>>> answered them already), this would be my top priority as
>>> well. Someone knowledgeable would have to dig through
>>> the archives and pull out the interesting questions, and
>>> I'm not the best person for that. There are also the
>>> old-old archives that should be mined for still-relevant
>>> information, and these are better organized and
>>> therefore easier to delve into:
>>>
>>> http://radsite.lbl.gov/radiance/digests_html/rad_dig_HOME.html
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Greg
>>>
>>>> *From: *Andrew McNeil <amcneil at lbl.gov
>>>> <mailto:amcneil at lbl.gov>>
>>>>
>>>> *Date: *February 5, 2014 11:04:46 AM PST
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> Hi Chris, Rob,
>>>>
>>>> radiance-online.org <http://radiance-online.org> is set
>>>> up as a community website for anyone to add and edit
>>>> content. Danny and I are the only ones to have done
>>>> anything, but that's not the intent. It's not quite a
>>>> wiki because we feel it needs a bit more editorial
>>>> oversight to remain relevant and accurate, but anyone
>>>> can contribute regardless. Anyone should feel welcome
>>>> to register, send me an email, and I'll promote you to
>>>> author.
>>>>
>>>> I also won't get in the way of, and may even contribute
>>>> to, another wiki attempt. But i'd ague that an FAQ is
>>>> more necessary.
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>
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