[Radiance-general] Radiance wiki proposal

Chris Kallie kallie at umn.edu
Wed Feb 5 18:59:43 PST 2014


Mostapha, all,

Parser sounds very helpful, as well as Grasshopper discussion page 
layout, and pretty much every other suggestion. If the majority agrees, 
and everyone's had a chance to make suggestions, I will review this 
thread, follow instructions, and get busy archiving later this month.

Thanks,
Chris

On 2/5/14 8:34 PM, Mostapha Sadeghipour wrote:
> Chris, Andy et. al.,
>
> Now that this is going to happen here is my 2 cents.
>
> I think everybody agrees that there is already so much really valuable 
> information in the email list. I have personally found the answer to 
> many of my questions by reading the emails from the archive but always 
> suffered from the poor layout. The attachments are missing and in some 
> cases it is really hard to follow the conversations.
>
> I would be happy to devote some time to develop the code to parse the 
> email archive and put them in a better format that is easier to 
> follow. I personally like the layout of Grasshopper discussion pages 
> which is similar to many other pages on the web. Just a random 
> example: 
> (http://www.grasshopper3d.com/forum/topics/window-forms-param-data-binding)
>
> Any of the options provides an API that let us problematically 
> generate discussion pages from the current emails?
>
> Mostapha
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 8:20 PM, Andrew McNeil <amcneil at lbl.gov 
> <mailto:amcneil at lbl.gov>> wrote:
>
>     Awesome! Does anyone else feel the urge to pledge some time to
>     adding content to a Radiance wiki? Any hour for hour matches?
>     (KQED is having it's pledge drive this week, so I'm in a pledge
>     drive kinda mood).
>
>     Andy
>
>
>
>
>
>     On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Chris Kallie <kallie at umn.edu
>     <mailto:kallie at umn.edu>> wrote:
>
>         Andy, et al.,
>
>         Proposal sounds very good. I pledge 40+ hours before June 21,
>         2014. Is there a consensus on which wiki site is best?
>
>         Thanks to all!
>         Chris
>
>
>         On 2/5/14 5:51 PM, Andrew McNeil wrote:
>>         Chris,
>>
>>         Sorry if some of us appear to be cynical, but I thinly you're
>>         off the mark dismissing those with less enthusiasm as
>>         naysayers who "fundamentally misunderstand or loathe the
>>         concept" of wikis.  I think I can speak for everyone when I
>>         say that we would love for there to be the level of
>>         documentation you propose. Unfortunately funding for
>>         documentation isn't available, so it is generally a personal
>>         time activity.
>>
>>         As Rob pointed out (who, by the way, has been instrumental in
>>         making Radiance available to Windows users and deserves all
>>         of our gratitude) setting up and hosting a wiki isn't much of
>>         a hurdle, so a pledge to do that isn't all that meaningful.
>>         Instead, a pledge to spend 200 hours this year creating
>>         content for a wiki is substantially more meaningful, and
>>         would likely be met with more enthusiasm.
>>
>>         As Axel pointed out in his 2006 presentation, most of the
>>         work of wiki documentation is done by 1% of the users. It's
>>         nice to think if you build it they will come, but
>>         unfortunately that has been demonstrated false (at least for
>>         this community) and we'll need to do more than just "hope
>>         that the community makes an effort to upload content."
>>
>>         Ultimately, the challenge you'll face in starting a
>>         successful wiki is getting buy-in from a broad base of users
>>         and motivating 1% of the Radiance community to contribute
>>         substantial time adding content. Unfortunately, I think
>>         you'll have to rely heavily on the people you deem naysayers,
>>         because they are the ones who have been in the community the
>>         longest. Your appeal to the students in the community to do
>>         the heavy lifting seems misguided, we spend significant time
>>         helping some students with their problems only to never hear
>>         from them again after their dissertation is completed, so I
>>         don't think they share your motivation.
>>
>>         Here's my 2 cents on what will make your efforts a success:
>>         1 - Make a more meaningful pledge towards creating a wiki
>>         rich with content
>>         2 - Proactively seek buy-in and support from everyone within
>>         the Radiance community (not dismiss  people with less
>>         enthusiasm as naysayers).
>>         3 - Work tirelessly to deliver content. Unfortunately you'll
>>         probably be working alone at first.
>>
>>         If you decide to proceed by pledging a substantial amount of
>>         your time to add content, I will pledge 40 hours of my
>>         personal time this summer to add content.
>>
>>         Good luck and godspeed my friend,
>>         Andy
>>
>>
>>
>>         On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Chris Kallie <kallie at umn.edu
>>         <mailto:kallie at umn.edu>> wrote:
>>
>>             Thank you Andy and Greg,
>>
>>             Please do consider the points I've raised in the last
>>             email, and let's hope that the community makes an effort
>>             to upload content. I am willing to partake in the
>>             organization and uploading of portions of the
>>             radiance-online content, but a plan of action would be a
>>             good first task.
>>
>>             Also, there are numerous ways to set up a wiki. I
>>             personally like the homepage of http://wiki.blender.org/
>>             and was able to teach myself everything I needed to learn
>>             through their intuitive structure. The software is
>>             provided freely by:
>>             http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki --I'm not an
>>             advocate of any particular wiki distro, but some just
>>             work better and look prettier than others.
>>
>>             Thanks to all!
>>             Chris
>>
>>
>>             On 2/5/14 2:18 PM, Greg Ward wrote:
>>>             A hearty "second" to Andy's motion for a Radiance FAQ.
>>>              As someone who is frequently re-answering questions
>>>             that have already been asked (but I've forgotten I
>>>             answered them already), this would be my top priority as
>>>             well.  Someone knowledgeable would have to dig through
>>>             the archives and pull out the interesting questions, and
>>>             I'm not the best person for that.  There are also the
>>>             old-old archives that should be mined for still-relevant
>>>             information, and these are better organized and
>>>             therefore easier to delve into:
>>>
>>>             http://radsite.lbl.gov/radiance/digests_html/rad_dig_HOME.html
>>>
>>>             Cheers,
>>>             -Greg
>>>
>>>>             *From: *Andrew McNeil <amcneil at lbl.gov
>>>>             <mailto:amcneil at lbl.gov>>
>>>>
>>>>             *Date: *February 5, 2014 11:04:46 AM PST
>>>>
>>>>             *
>>>>             *
>>>>
>>>>             Hi Chris, Rob,
>>>>
>>>>             radiance-online.org <http://radiance-online.org> is set
>>>>             up as a community website for anyone to add and edit
>>>>             content. Danny and I are the only ones to have done
>>>>             anything, but that's not the intent. It's not quite a
>>>>             wiki because we feel it needs a bit more editorial
>>>>             oversight to remain relevant and accurate, but anyone
>>>>             can contribute regardless. Anyone should feel welcome
>>>>             to register, send me an email, and I'll promote you to
>>>>             author.
>>>>
>>>>             I also won't get in the way of, and may even contribute
>>>>             to, another wiki attempt. But i'd ague that an FAQ is
>>>>             more necessary.
>>>>
>>>>             Andy
>>>>
>>>
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