[Radiance-general] pmap distribution

[Erico Rosa]

Hi Jan,

Thanks again for the help. I realize early on the need for the surface
and my measuring points match the ring surface (plastic, 0.1 0.1 0.1 0
0) on the bottom of the pipe. On the other hand, the pipe is open at the
top (well, there is the antimatter ring port on the top). Would clear
glass do the job on the top?

I am reading some of the early threads on the issue and on a previous
message you mentioned:

"The quick instruction is:

0. You can use the standard radiance description (except user defined 
BRDFs). ->rad and oct
1. To distribute photon and store them in files (global and caustic
photons separately). e.g.
~/bin/radiance/pmap/mkpmap  -apg f81_z.gp 700000 -apc f81_z.cp 700000 
test.oct
700000 is the number of the photos emitted, gp : global photons, cp
caustic photons
2. Count the photons, make a density estimate and generate a picture
with the modified rpict:
~/bin/radiance/pmap/rpict -apg f81_z.gp 500 -apc f81_z.cp 500 -ab 1 -x 
1200 -y 1200 -vf test.vf -o test.pic  test.oct"


How would I 'count' the photons and make a density estimate?
Erico
 

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[mailto:radiance-general-bounces at radiance-online.org] On Behalf Of Jan
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Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 6:46 PM
To: Radiance general discussion
Subject: Re: [Radiance-general] pmap distribution

Hi Erico,

where did you put your measuring points exactly? And how do you measure 
the incoming flux?
If you put the measuring points not directly on a surface and use photon

mapping, then it is not surprising that you get strange results.  Then 
photon mapping calculates the density estimate of the nearest photons in

the scene (which are per definition always on a surface). 
So  if you wanna get the transmission of a pipe, you should "close" the 
pipe at its bottom by a disk and put the measuring points directly on 
it. This disk shouldn't be completely black - even knowing that it 
reflects the light back to the top.
The same must be done for the incoming flux, so you need an extra run 
just for that and should put a disk at the top of the pipe.

In that case, you should get reasonable results also by using the metal 
material.

Hey Roland, what's your opinion!?

Jan


Erico Rosa wrote:

>Hi there,
>
>I would like to measure the illumination from a vertical pipe bringing
>daylight into a building. I have two situations, a clear sky with 30
and
>60 degrees solar angles - 75,000 and 40,000 Lux reaching the top of the
>tube - and would like to measure the transmittance of the pipe at its
>bottom, using materials with 95, 96, 97, 98 and 99% reflectance. Using
>manual calculations I can fairly expect something between 52-88% and
>80-96% transmittance for the 30-degrees and 60-degrees sky,
>respectively. I initially used the metal material which has given me
>very low numbers. When I switched to the mirror material with a faceted
>tube (polygons) replacing the initial round tube, the numbers started
to
>match (or at least sort of). 
>
>For measurements, I divided the ring in the bottom of the tube in
>approximately 200 measuring points and retrieved numbers that vary from
>5,000 to 150,000 Lux for the first tube and 9,000 to 400,000 Lux for
the
>later. Dividing the individual values for the number of measuring
points
>give me exact numbers for the "30-deg" tube, and numbers 20% higher
(but
>accurate when reduced) for the "60-deg" one. Being a newbie at this, I
>am quite puzzled with the photon distribution and if the measurements
>are accurate.  Is it the bandwidth that is producing numbers that far
>low and high? Is it bias that is distributing the photon like this? 
>
>I am testing with an 80 degrees solar altitude clear sky and the
results
>are 100% higher that I expected (but again, accurate when reduced).
>
>My parameters are:
>
>mkpmap -appb <file> 1000000 50 5000 - apc <file> 1000000 -ds 0.001 -dp
>32768
>rtrace -I+ -ab 1 -ad 32768 -aa 0.001 -ar 32768 -app <file> -apcb 50
5000
>
>Erico Naves Rosa
>Doctor of Design Candidate
>Harvard Design School
>
>
>
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