[Radiance-openstudio] OpenStudio on OSX 10.8
Rob Guglielmetti
rob.guglielmetti at gmail.com
Wed Nov 14 17:12:55 PST 2012
Hi Khalid,
THat would be great if you're willing to give it a try! I don't know that there are a lot of people trying out the Linux version. Ubuntu is what we develop and test on, too.
- Rob
On Nov 14, 2012, at 8:52 AM, "Khalid" <khalid.ud at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Rob,
> Well, I should try to do the simulation on Linux. I have 'ubuntu' installed
> on pc, I should give a try.
> Regarding the ResultViewer, I have no problem using it, thanks.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Guglielmetti, Robert [mailto:Robert.Guglielmetti at nrel.gov]
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 2:37 AM
> To: Discussion of Radiance with OpenStudio
> Subject: Re: [Radiance-openstudio] OpenStudio on OSX 10.8
>
> Hi Khalid,
>
> Well one thing's for sure, we need to speed up our code on Windows machines!
> I just ran your model and did the full annual simulation in 8 minutes. I
> have a grad student here at NREL using OpenStudio for a greenhouse project
> and his OpenStudio model takes 2 hours to run on his system, and that one
> ran in 10 minutes on my laptop. I suspect that all the multithreading work
> that Greg has implemented is super awesome, and that's why Linux and MacOS
> machines are running all the Radiance stuff a lot faster than on Windows. We
> implemented multithreading on Windows using the Ruby Threads class, but we
> either implemented that badly or it simply doesn't work as well as the stuff
> that's built into Radiance (that does not work on Windows).
>
> I digress, but I thank you for exposing these things. Anyway, the data all
> seems to make sense to me, are you familiar with the ResultsViewer
> application for viewing your results? I know you posted some screen shots,
> but are you able to zoom in on time periods and make plots? Let me know!
>
>
> Rob Guglielmetti
> National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) Commercial Buildings Research
> Group
> 15013 Denver West Parkway MS:RSF202
> Golden, CO 80401
> 303.275.4319
> robert.guglielmetti at nrel.gov
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> On 11/14/12 8:22 AM, "Khalid" <khalid.ud at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thank you very much for your help, Rob.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Guglielmetti, Robert [mailto:Robert.Guglielmetti at nrel.gov]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 2:12 AM
>> To: Discussion of Radiance with OpenStudio
>> Subject: Re: [Radiance-openstudio] OpenStudio on OSX 10.8
>>
>> Thanks Khalid,
>>
>> The results that you have shared seem ok, I'll run your model here
>> later tonight to confirm. As far as ground reflectance, the default is
>> 20% (this is applied for any rays intersecting the sphere below the
> horizon).
>>
>> However, good modeling practice dictates that you model local ground
>> features and obstructions, so that local shadow effects are captured.
>> You can do this in OpenStudio using "site shading surfaces". You first
>> create a site shading surface group, then draw your local ground planes
>> inside of that group. You can change the reflectance of those objects
>> by adding materials to the library that are of the reflectance you
>> want, and assigning them to the objects' constructions.
>>
>>
>> Rob Guglielmetti
>> National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) Commercial Buildings
>> Research Group
>> 15013 Denver West Parkway MS:RSF202
>> Golden, CO 80401
>> 303.275.4319
>> robert.guglielmetti at nrel.gov
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/14/12 7:58 AM, "Khalid" <khalid.ud at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Rob,
>>>
>>> I did a re-run for a full weather file, and took about one hour.
>>> I used the weather file for Tampa which come with Energyplus:
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/iqxjj5u1pls21pv/USA_FL_Tampa.Intl.AP.722110_
>>> T
>>> MY3
>>> .e
>>> pw?m
>>>
>>> The following results are from Radout.sql:
>>>
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/z0d5brmamejnqo6/Global%20Horizontal%20Illumi
>>> n
>>> anc
>>> e.
>>> jpg?m
>>>
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/yic98mxefi0lghh/Illuminance%20Map.jpg?m
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The model I used is the one in Martin message:
>>> (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/27495200/office2.zip).
>>>
>>>
>>> Rob, I have a question regarding the reflectance of ground, I did not
>>> knew how to get the reflectance of ground , and how to change such
>>> reflectance in Openstudio.
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Guglielmetti, Robert [mailto:Robert.Guglielmetti at nrel.gov]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:45 PM
>>> To: Discussion of Radiance with OpenStudio
>>> Subject: Re: [Radiance-openstudio] OpenStudio on OSX 10.8
>>>
>>> Hi Khalid,
>>>
>>> Thanks for all this extra detail! OK, first of all, editing the
>>> weather file to do shorter run periods is not recommended. As you saw,
>>> this has no effect on the Radiance piece (this is because OpenStudio
>>> pulls the weather info from an EnergyPlus pre-process run, which is
>>> for an annual runperiod).
>>> Support for shorter runperiods is being put into the app currently,
>>> but I'm not sure when that will be released. Editing the weather file
>>> like you did also caused the "..... Last severe
>>> error=ProcessScheduleInput: Schedule:Compact="THERMAL ZONE 1 LIGHTS
>>> SCHEDULE" has missing days in its schedule pointers" error.
>>>
>>> The illuminance map data is goofy; are you looking at data from
>>> radout.sql, or eplusout.sql?
>>>
>>> It appears that your simulation is running OK; on a slower system (and
>>> especially on Windows) a two hour run time for an annual sim is not
>>> unusual.
>>> I'd try re-running the sim with the full weather file, let it run its
>>> course, and re-review the data. You can also send me your model and
>>> weather file and I can make sure everything looks good.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rob Guglielmetti
>>> National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) Commercial Buildings
>>> Research Group
>>> 15013 Denver West Parkway MS:RSF202
>>> Golden, CO 80401
>>> 303.275.4319
>>> robert.guglielmetti at nrel.gov
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/13/12 9:32 PM, "Khalid" <khalid.ud at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Rob
>>>>
>>>> I did edit the weather file, I made it just for one day, first day in
>>>> January;
>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/iqxjj5u1pls21pv/USA_FL_Tampa.Intl.AP.722110
>>>> _
>>>> T
>>>> MY3
>>>> .e
>>>> pw?m
>>>>
>>>> However the simulation took about two hours. I was surprised to see
>>>> in the simulation process that the simulation done for days In
>>>> October and November and December:
>>>>
>>>> The output file:
>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/r6t086gca4soasu/out1.txt?m
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The following files will show the results;
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Illuminance map`:
>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/o429o5fuy8mf5wk/1.jpg?m
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Illuminance map2:
>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/qwgaicbxiu4jvxy/2.jpg?m
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Error:
>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/0vu1t33emw2zzb5/Err.txt?m
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Glare:
>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/517ev8j7mkls759/Glare.jpg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Global horizontal illuminance
>>>>
>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/z0d5brmamejnqo6/Global%20Horizontal%20Illum
>>>> i
>>>> n
>>>> anc
>>>> e.
>>>> jpg?m
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When I did the simulation using radiance, I will get the simulation
>>>> has failed.
>>>> However, when I just run openstudio without radiance, the run will
>>>> complete without any problem:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ejrphiqbmogpk2l/EPLUSout.txt?m
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Guglielmetti, Robert [mailto:Robert.Guglielmetti at nrel.gov]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 10:50 PM
>>>> To: Discussion of Radiance with OpenStudio
>>>> Subject: Re: [Radiance-openstudio] OpenStudio on OSX 10.8
>>>>
>>>> OK, sounds like it's working. It should go through every hour of the
>>>> year, and then it will perform the other calculations and let you
>>>> know when it's finished.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rob Guglielmetti
>>>> National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) Commercial Buildings
>>>> Research Group
>>>> 15013 Denver West Parkway MS:RSF202
>>>> Golden, CO 80401
>>>> 303.275.4319
>>>> robert.guglielmetti at nrel.gov
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/13/12 11:10 AM, "Khalid" <khalid.ud at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, it continue printing:
>>>>> Radiance (rcontrib) calculating: 1 2 09:00:00 Radiance (rcontrib)
>>>>> calculating: 1 2 10:00:00 Radiance (rcontrib) calculating: 1 2
>>>>> 11:00:00
>>>>>
>>>>> and continue for the new hour
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Guglielmetti, Robert [mailto:Robert.Guglielmetti at nrel.gov]
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:59 PM
>>>>> To: Discussion of Radiance with OpenStudio
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Radiance-openstudio] OpenStudio on OSX 10.8
>>>>>
>>>>> The OpenStudio app does not support sub-annual runperiods (yet), so
>>>>> that will likely not work for you. When you say the sim does not
>>>>> stop, is it still printing messages to the console window, i.e.
>>>>> still "doing
>>>> stuff"?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rob Guglielmetti
>>>>> National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) Commercial Buildings
>>>>> Research Group
>>>>> 15013 Denver West Parkway MS:RSF202
>>>>> Golden, CO 80401
>>>>> 303.275.4319
>>>>> robert.guglielmetti at nrel.gov
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/13/12 10:48 AM, "Khalid" <khalid.ud at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I did not see any results, the simulation did not stop. I did made
>>>>>> a change on the weather file and reduce it to day days, to see
>>>>>> whether it will stop or not.
>>>>>> I will send you any result that I will get.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks again
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Guglielmetti, Robert [mailto:Robert.Guglielmetti at nrel.gov]
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:32 PM
>>>>>> To: Discussion of Radiance with OpenStudio
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Radiance-openstudio] OpenStudio on OSX 10.8
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok, then after the annual daylighting sim, you should have seen
>>>>>> some messages about the lighting, and then the glare analysis, and
>>>>>> finally the EnergyPlus messages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm happy to work with you offline on this, if you want to send me
>>>>>> any results or screenshots directly (I assume you've noticed that
>>>>>> the list server rejects posts with attachments?).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rob Guglielmetti
>>>>>> National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) Commercial Buildings
>>>>>> Research Group
>>>>>> 15013 Denver West Parkway MS:RSF202 Golden, CO 80401
>>>>>> 303.275.4319
>>>>>> robert.guglielmetti at nrel.gov
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/13/12 10:15 AM, "Khalid" <khalid.ud at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Rob,
>>>>>>> I Have one space and one illuminance map
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Guglielmetti, Robert [mailto:Robert.Guglielmetti at nrel.gov]
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:08 PM
>>>>>>> To: Discussion of Radiance with OpenStudio
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Radiance-openstudio] OpenStudio on OSX 10.8
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK, that's a good thing. How many spaces and illuminance maps do
>>>>>>> you have in the model? Currently the program computes each map
>>>>>>> serially, i.e. one at a time, so you'll have to wait for it to
>>>>>>> finish all the maps before it's fully done. After that, it will do
>>>>>>> a dimming analysis and create a lighting load schedule for
>>>>>>> EnergyPlus, which is then automatically run as well. It can take
>>>>>>> some time on a large model with lots of spaces. But it does sound
>>>>>>> like things are working for
>>>> you.
>>>>>>> When it's all done you should see a "finished"
>>>>>>> message and hopefully zero errors (there are usually warnings even
>>>>>>> on successful runs), and then you can open the eplusout.sql file
>>>>>>> in ResultsViewer to review the daylighting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Keep us posted!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Rob
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> P.S. We are rewriting the daylighting script to compute all the
>>>>>>> points in the model at one time, rather than space-by-space; this
>>>>>>> speeds up the calculation times on large models significantly, and
>>>>>>> should be available in the next iteration release which is due out
>>>>>>> early next week.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Rob
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rob Guglielmetti
>>>>>>> National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) Commercial Buildings
>>>>>>> Research Group
>>>>>>> 15013 Denver West Parkway MS:RSF202 Golden, CO 80401
>>>>>>> 303.275.4319
>>>>>>> robert.guglielmetti at nrel.gov
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/13/12 9:55 AM, "Khalid" <khalid.ud at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>> The simulation does not stop. It continue running after reaching
>>>>>>>> 31 December.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Guglielmetti, Robert [mailto:Robert.Guglielmetti at nrel.gov]
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 7:36 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Discussion of Radiance with OpenStudio
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Radiance-openstudio] OpenStudio on OSX 10.8
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks Chris! Yes, Khalid, the text output seems to indicate that
>>>>>>>> the annual simulation is running; does it not continue on through
>>>>>>>> to December?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rob Guglielmetti
>>>>>>>> National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) Commercial Buildings
>>>>>>>> Research Group
>>>>>>>> 15013 Denver West Parkway MS:RSF202 Golden, CO 80401
>>>>>>>> 303.275.4319
>>>>>>>> robert.guglielmetti at nrel.gov
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/13/12 6:52 AM, "Christopher Rush"
>>>>>>>> <Christopher.Rush at arup.com<mailto:Christopher.Rush at arup.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not sure about OpenStudio specifically, but it looks like
>>>>>>>> you're running an annual simulation. The last line seems to
>>>>>>>> represent timestep
>>>>>>>> 1
>>>>>>>> (January)
>>>>>>>> 8 at 11:00:00 AM. Wouldn't you expect it to keep going until it
>>>>>>>> gets to
>>>>>>>> 12
>>>>>>>> 31 23:00:00 for December 31?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Khalid [mailto:khalid.ud at gmail.com]
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 7:55 AM
>>>>>>>> To: 'Discussion of Radiance with OpenStudio'
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Radiance-openstudio] OpenStudio on OSX 10.8
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks Martin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I did use Openstudio 0.9.4 . then it seem that radiance has start
>>>>>>>> to work.
>>>>>>>> However, it does not stop And keep running as shown in this link:
>>>>>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/pqr6e9k7icn9ikf/RadFile.txt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do appreciate if anybody can help in such problem
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>
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