[Radiance-general] Difference between climate data and Radiance data.

濱田裕章 hiroaki.mp.3 at gmail.com
Thu May 8 01:36:24 PDT 2014


Thank you for your reply.

My view file was wrong. And it was a simple mistake.
Though I should have turned a viewpoint below, I took an upswing.

I'd like to study the distribution of solar radiation.
As a result of having noticed a mistake, I could get good result as follows.
1. Got parallel view by Radiance.
2. Picked original data by pvalue.
3. Calculated solar radiation (W/m2) by (R+G+B)/3*4*0.8
The value I got was same as the value that I input in gensky command.
But I did not know why it was necessary to multiply 0.8.
Someone, please tell me.

Best regards,

Hiroaki

2014-05-03 6:07 GMT+09:00 Andrew McNeil <amcneil at lbl.gov>:

> Hiroaki,
>
> I agree with Greg that it's not clear what you're doing, but I'm assuming
> that you're using the climate data to create a sky file and then comparing
> the horizontal direct illuminance to horizontal direct calculated from
> solar angle and the climate data.
>
> Integrating over pixels of a rendering is a round about way of getting at
> illuminance. There's also potential error introduced by the pixel
> resolution of the sun in the image. To address this you should make your
> images very large (~4000x4000 pixels). Also I think you want to multiply
> the result by 4, not 16, in your rcalc command (you have to multiply by
> 4/pi to counter the effect of the black edge pixels and also multiply by pi
> as part of your hemisphere integration - pi cancels and the 4 remains).
>  This plus fixing your view as Greg suggests should give agreement.
>
> You might consider instead using rtrace with -I+ (capital i) and -ab 1
> like so:
>
> rtrace -h -I+ -ab 1 -aa 0 -ad 10000 -lw 1e-5 sky.oct
>
>
> Also gendaylit is probably a better option than gensky for creating a sky
> from a weather file. Gensky will give agreement in this test, but the sky
> generated won't as valid as one generated by gendaylit.
>
> Best,
> Andy
>
>
> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Greg Ward <gregoryjward at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Hiroaki,
>>
>> Although I am not sure what you are attempting to match or how you are
>> doing so, but I can at least say that your view file is probably wrong.
>>
>> The "-vtl" option specifies a parallel view, when you no doubt want a
>> hemispherical projection ("-vth") in this case.
>>
>> Best,
>> -Greg
>>
>> *From: *濱田裕章 <hiroaki.mp.3 at gmail.com>
>>
>> *Subject: *[Radiance-general] Difference between climate data and
>> Radiance data.
>>
>> *Date: *April 30, 2014 12:28:19 AM PDT
>>
>>
>>  Dear all,
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m going to study distribution of solar radiation in buildings in the
>> city by using GIS data.
>>
>> I’d like to match a climate data with Radiance data. But, I couldn’t get
>> the same value.
>>
>> Does anyone know the idea how to match climate data and Radiance data?
>>
>> My method is below.
>>
>> Obtain an illuminance by using Pvalue command.
>>
>> views file is below.
>>
>> rview rvu -vtl -vp 0 0 10 -vd 0 0 1 -vu 0 1 0 -vv 180 -vh 180 -vo 0.0 -va
>> 0.0
>>
>> skies file is below.
>>
>> !gensky 6 22 5:0 -B 46 -R 37.12796503 -a 43.035 -o -141.199 -m -135.0
>>
>> skyfunc glow skyglow
>>
>> 0
>>
>> 0
>>
>> 4 1.000 1.000 1.000 0
>>
>> skyglow source sky
>>
>> 0
>>
>> 0
>>
>> 4 0 0 1 180
>>
>> skyfunc glow groundglow
>>
>> 0
>>
>> 0
>>
>> 4 0 0 0 0
>>
>> groundglow source ground
>>
>> 0
>>
>> 0
>>
>> 4 0 0 -1 180
>>
>> bash file is below.
>>
>> pvalue -h -H -d t1_1.pic | total -m | rcalc -e '$1=($1+$2+$3)/3*16'>t1.dat
>>
>> The result is below.
>>
>> time       ND*1      Altit*2    HD*3=R               B*4         no
>> Gensky           -i            -u
>>
>> 4:00       0            0.278     0                          7
>> 4.0464                 9.4688   8.9056
>>
>> 5:00       225        9.498     37.12796503       46
>> 25.44                   52.128   58.368
>>
>> 6:00       445        19.824   150.9137426       76
>> 43.12                   75.744   96.752
>>
>> 7:00       588        30.608   299.3870167       82
>> 51.872                 79.744   104.256
>>
>> 8:00       636        41.547   421.8169494       108
>> 82.752                 112.752 137.504
>>
>> 9:00       618        52.252   488.6593632       151
>> 149.504               190.56   192.48
>>
>> 10:00     557        61.986   491.7378991       220
>> 295.04                 371.04   279.04
>>
>> 11:00     519        68.96     484.3982757       264
>> 451.04                 590.08   335.04
>>
>> 12:00     459        69.842   430.8843623       300
>> 534.08                 694.08   380.96
>>
>> 13:00     395        63.995   355.0085362       348
>> 495.04                 625.92   443.04
>>
>> 14:00     532        54.691   434.1369031       207
>> 220.48                 276.96   263.04
>>
>> 15:00     397        44.127   276.411698         219
>> 176.48                 236.48   279.04
>>
>> 16:00     442        33.203   242.0423097       160
>> 104.752               156.496 203.52
>>
>> 17:00     164        22.352   62.36849428       132
>> 75.744                 129.504 167.52
>>
>> 18:00     35          11.887   7.209375721       62
>> 34.128                 67.744   78.752
>>
>> 9:00       0            2.249     0                          7
>> 3.976                   9.032     8.9056
>>
>> *1: Normal direct solar radiation
>>
>> *2: Horizontal direct solar radiation
>>
>> *3: Solar altitude
>>
>> *4: Horizontal total solar radiation
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Hiroaki
>>
>>
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