[Radiance-general] why "global horizontal illuminance" is smaller than "global horizontal radiation" multiplied by 179 in epw file?

[Guglielmetti, Robert]

Haha, so you have a bible going? Good for you. I think many of us have something similar, in some form or fashion. I managed to document a couple of my notes online, here:

http://www.rumblestrip.org/interests/light/using-the-illum-material-for-smoother-renderings-in-radiance/
http://www.rumblestrip.org/interests/light/rtrace-multiprocessing-option-initial-test-results/

Francesco Anselmo's site is another repository:
http://www.bozzograo.net/radiance/index.php

Axel's stuff is awesome:
http://www.jaloxa.eu/resources/radiance/
(check out his "Radiance Cookbooks"!)

Giulio, I tried to link to your RadBlog (http://web.mac.com/geotrupes/iWeb/Main%20site/RadBlog/RadBlog.html), but I got a server error!

…and of course there is an effort underway to buff up the content right on the radiance-online.org site.

As Greg Ward has said: "everything about Radiance is documented, somewhere". Trick is when you find a nugget, save it someplace!

Rob Guglielmetti
National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL)
Commercial Buildings Research Group
15013 Denver West Parkway MS:RSF202
Golden, CO 80401
303.275.4319
robert.guglielmetti at nrel.gov



On 1/2/13 8:36 PM, "Ji Zhang" <hope.zh at gmail.com<mailto:hope.zh at gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi, Rob, ... already put into the "Radiance Bible" ...

On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:55 AM, Guglielmetti, Robert <Robert.Guglielmetti at nrel.gov<mailto:Robert.Guglielmetti at nrel.gov>> wrote:
Can we have this reply laminated onto cards? =8-)

Thanks Andy!

Rob Guglielmetti
National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL)
Commercial Buildings Research Group
15013 Denver West Parkway MS:RSF202
Golden, CO 80401
303.275.4319<tel:303.275.4319>
robert.guglielmetti at nrel.gov<mailto:robert.guglielmetti at nrel.gov>



On 1/2/13 12:23 PM, "Andrew McNeil" <amcneil at lbl.gov<mailto:amcneil at lbl.gov><mailto:amcneil at lbl.gov<mailto:amcneil at lbl.gov>>> wrote:

Hi Ji,

179 is the efficacy of white (equal energy) light over the visible spectrum.

Daylight is composed of a broader spectrum, so the efficacy (visible light per watt of energy) is lower.  Usually around 90 for the sun and 110 for the sky, but changes based on various factors.

179 is used in Radiance as a convention since we are simulating visible light.  So when you're defining you sky using gensky with weather data you need to either use the measured illuminance values and divide by 179 to get radiometric units for the visible spectrum, or use the measured radiance values (for solar spectrum), multiply by an approximate efficacy, then divide 179 to get radiometric units for the visible spectrum only.

If you use gendaylit all the conversions are done for you.

Best,
Andy


On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 8:36 AM, Ji Zhang <hope.zh at gmail.com<mailto:hope.zh at gmail.com><mailto:hope.zh at gmail.com<mailto:hope.zh at gmail.com>>> wrote:
Dear list, Happy New Year!

I have a simple question related to conversion from irradiance value to illuminance value, and pls correct me if I'm wrong:

Usually we can estimate the illuminance (lux) for a given point by multiplying the irradiance (w/m2) for the point as simulated via Radiacne by 179 (lm/w) which is the luminous efficacy used in Radiance, or more strictly (R*0.265+G*0.670+B*0.065)*179.

However, it seems that in a epw weather file the "global horizontal illuminance" value is not equal to but smaller than the "global horizontal radiation" value multiplied by 179.

May I ask:
1. why there's such a large discrapency?
2. Will this lead to over-estimation of illuminance when using cumulative sky derived from "global horizontal radiation" ?

Thanks in advance!

- Ji

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